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Khandara Seraphim
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:40:00 -
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I agree.
I don't think anybody will disagree that Goonswarm's spy games was kind of a cheap shot on Bob, but you know what? It was a cheap shot within the rules.
I think CCP just demonstrated a disturbing lack of judgment if they think they can bend the rules for bob again without outcry.
I didn't have much faith in the CSM to begin with but now its patently obvious that they can't even fulfill their primary purpose, which was to be a watchdog for developer misconduct.
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 Originally by: CCP Whisper
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Khandara Seraphim
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:48:00 -
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Well Vista, what good has the CSM accomplished?
I'm perfectly willing to accept the CSM if you can prove that CCP has done anything based on the CSM's wishes.
The NY times article may have been misinterpreted or whatever, but that doesn't change that the original catalyst that resulted in the CSM's formation was the T20 incident. CCP said they wanted more player oversight over their actions.
How is the CSM anything other than a useless figurehead, if CCP is still allowed to bend rules whenever they want without consulting the CSM at all?
Where's the transparency we were promised? GM Grimmi's statement didn't explain anything and didn't clarify the rules whatsoever. It didn't explain which circumstances allow you to petition for a name change. It didn't explain why the new alliance name is longer than allowed for anyone else. It didn't explain why KenZoku deserved a name change.
CCP designed the game with safeguards built in so that you can't just disband an alliance. BoB chose to remove those safeguards to operate more efficiently, leaving themselves vulnerable. Why do they get sympathy? What happened to them was fair under the rules and the solution they got from it wasn't. End of story.
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Khandara Seraphim
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
1. Orca
2. Weapon stacking
3. Skill queue
4. PLEX system as a response to the uproar about 30-day GTCs being taken out
5. The possiblity of a 0.0 overhaul(See the CSM minutes)
6. Assembly arrays getting a boost
7. Suicide ganking balancing
8. Module cycle timer.
The problem with this stuff is, these are features that could have just as easily been proposed via the features and ideas forum or just internally within CCP.
I'm not trying to be difficult, but while the CSM might give a pretty voice to ideas, those ideas were definitely already being heard without the CSM. I don't think a good idea with a lot of merit behind it NEEDS CSM support to get noticed.
Black Ops are a good example of this. Everyone knows black ops need a boost, and there are tons of threads about it. Does the Issue require CSM support before it'll get addressed? Did anything change when the CSM brought it up? Not really.
The proposals for a cargo ship between haulers and freighters was around for a long time before the CSM brought it to the devs. Was the CSM really the reason the Orca entered the game?
When I asked for meaningful issues the CSM has addressed, I think I meant something more along the lines of issues that are outside the game.
When the reactor bug was discovered and CCP jumped all over it and then released a long, detailed explanation of what happened and the steps taken to fix it... that is what I wanted. But then I see stuff like the bob name change happening and it just reinforces the feeling I have that CCP only pays the CSM lip service when it's in their interest to do so.
The CSM needs to have the power to cause problems at CCP. Until the CSM's decisionmaking can negatively affect CCP, it doesn't have any real power. It might sound counterproductive to attack the company we all know and love, but without any true ability to affect things the CSM is all bark and no bite... and will never be a real factor in decisions.
Because this is just a virtual world in a videogame owned by a private company, this will of course never happen... nor do I think it should, really. But pretending to have an "oversight panel" to review company decisions is just silly.
Making you guys sign an NDA violates the entire principle behind having an oversight group in the first place.
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Khandara Seraphim
StarHunt
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: elric gallach
and you should seek therapy, if you think hitting people and defenceless animals with a hammer is ok
... aren't badgers actually really dangerous in real life?
I thought they were one of those animals that you don't want to mess with but you'd never know it by looking at them. Kind of like hippos
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